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144. Ron Torrance | CrossFit Health

144. Ron Torrance | CrossFit Health

On today’s episode Jason Ackerman sits down Ron Torrance is an MD-L1 and part of the Derelict Doctor Club (DDC) which has come up a few times. Ron runs the Regenexx Tampa Bay, whereby he treats Orthopaedic injuries differently by using rich plasma and bone marrow stem cells — giving people another option before surgery. He is very involved with Crossfit HQ by going there about every three months, and he’s an affiliate owner Crossfit Love, in Philly. They are looking to open a second affiliate in Maini that would allow for a merge of Crossfit and health care in one. Ackerman and Ron discuss everything from NSCA court case to the shift that Crossfit made over the year to 18 months. Also an almost behind the scene look at the DDC, which, to most of us one we will never get the opportunity to attend and is still a mystery.

Time Stamp

(2:44) Ron’s Background
(8:48) DDC
(12:40) What is the point of the DDC?
(18:02) Take about the fight on TV 
(18:18) DDC coinciding with the level one 
(19:04) NSCA court case
(20:35) Crossfit Shifts in 2018/2019
(27:34) The Million Meter on the rower
(32:44) The Future for Ron 
(34:21) Game Changers Documentary
(38:21) Regenexx treatment

Social Media

@Lovehealthdoc

Talked about books 

Good Calories, Bad Calories: Fats, Carbs, and the Controversial Science of Diet and Health -Gary Taubes

Joe Rogan Experience #1389 – Chris Kresser Debunks “The Gamechangers” Documentary

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Jason Ackerman :
All right, welcome back, the best hour of their day, we're continuing our series of bringing on the derelict doctors. And today we have a new friend of mine, Ron Torrance. I met Ron a couple weeks ago, is working to level one. And where were we? Tampa. And I was with a good buddy. Your good buddy knew Neal. And he invited you and your fiancee. Not quite right out yet. Out to dinner. And then we'll just kind of hit it off. I think I think that's pretty common amongst the Crossfit, community. We just make friends pretty easily. Would you agree with that?

Ron Torrance:
Oh, 100%, I think I think we know a lot about Crossfit, and what that brings us together as a community. But then we start nerding out about whether it's about we eat the bone marrow at the restaurant. Right. We're sad. They're going Like, why is it so much better for us? And like, we were didn't like it the most. But it was something that we talked about. But I feel like everybody in the Crossfit, community is going to be somebody that, you know, that's going to finish something isn't gonna quit on you. There's a lot of things that really bring us together as a community. And they're also going to going to support each other. Right. And are some things that I think that community aspect really is a good foundation and something that I talk to patients about all the time, whether it's exercise, diet, sleep, stress management. And I knew that community component. And that's really what the Crossfit, community brings.

Jason Ackerman :
You know, that's a good point, because we tell people, you know, every box at some point will have a cheater, someone that shaves reps. And often my response is, who cares? That person will lead themselves out. And it's the same principle that you just said, I don't care how fit you are and I don't care for your scaling. I care that you did the work and I care that you're doing your best. And that's really what you've just said. What I want, though, I kind of gave a really broad brush overview as a truth is I don't know. But, you know, tell me all about yourself and if you wouldn't mind your fiance. So we you know, we sat down at Tampa and like, these are my two friends. And by the way, he won't tell you this, but he does, because beforehand there was me, Katie, and, Nunu, he's a just so you know, they're really high energy, you know. And I'm like, all right. You know, it's a Saturday night. And for the record, after day one of the level one, you're a little tired. You know, you're looking forward to a chill night. But your energy was definitely contagious, like Katie. You and I were definitely after like that was it? Oh, yeah. And that we had an intern there as well. Well, and, you know, we were all just like, wow. Their energy was fine. Like it was like high. But it wasn't like, I need to get away from these people. High there. So thanks for that. And again, right away, I was like, I've got to get this guy on the show. You are a great dude. But let let let the listeners know we were.

Ron Torrance:
Yeah. So Ron Torrance, I'm a D.O. and my practice is based out of Tampa in Sarasota, Florida. My practice, Regenesis, Tampa Bay. So I specialize in orthopedic regenerative medicine. With that being mostly platelet rich plasma and bone marrow derived stem cells. And so we treat orthopedic injuries differently than 95, 99 percent of the orthopedic world. We like to call ourselves interventional orthopedic specialists. And that's something that really I've had my shoulder treated. And I think you've both had some sort of injury to deal with it. They've been Crossfit,. It's just something that happens is when you're active, you're doing something. Something is inevitably going to inevitably going to come up to bother you. And I love this approach. I get extremely passion about it. As you said, my energy, I just love what I do. So I think that just kind of comes out in me when when anybody talks to me is that I just love what I do and love meeting with people. I really feed off people's energy. And I think that, you know, Nunu has a lot of energy himself. So it only gives himself credit there. And I think it's just the kind of operation of, you know, friend seeing each other in different areas and really bringing all that energy to the same space. So so that's what I do. That's why I specialize in so I specialize in gender medicine. Dr. Crossfit, of medicine. My my fiancee, she's a chiropractor and she specializes in musculoskeletal medicine. She was a former Rosty. So she she was one of the clinical directors for Rosty before we met at the 2016 regionals during the last event, when I don't know whether you remember the 2016 Atlantic Atlanta regionals.

Ron Torrance:
Evans was up on the rope. And did he clinch or did he not, before he touched the pole? And that's when when Abby not met. So it's something that's very memorable for us. We're like we're sitting there watching it. We're sitting there going, I don't know, like they're going back to the film. And then that subsequently made him not actually finish. So it was Crossfit, brought us together. And so now we kind of have a very unique practice where I do a lot of the regenerative treatments. She sees people post procedurally through our joint owned love health, where the most important relation of your life is your health. And we really want to bring people back to doing the things that. Love, because that's what we love to do and we want to make sure that you get back to activity. Motion is lotion. So I think it's a good induction. Did you hear anything else? I'm also I'm also one of the really doctors, as you said, very nicely. The DDC, I was out there this past weekend and it was super fun. We were we didn't work out with Dave. And in the traditional Dave fashion, he kind of stumbles through the workout and the super fun because he's like, what we're gonna do? We're going to burpees over each other and then we're gonna run and we're gonna walk out and run this.

Ron Torrance:
And then we're gonna we're gonna progress up ten, ten, ten parking spaces and it's been ten rounds and was just super fun because it was, you know, Dave, outside of the CrossFit Games, that's really kind of a cool thing about Dave Castro as he's working when he's at the Crossfit, Games. And he's not being rude to you, but he's at work. And this is the biggest this is his Super Bowl. And he's not trying to be rude, but he's really got to get his his team and his crew in the right places. And he's brought in the nicest guys. You know, I met out there along with Greg, and I just love out there to give him energy, an atmosphere. We're trying to really expose the truth about medicine. So that's really kind of where I'm in a nutshell. And yeah. And also oh, I also when you go next thing. So I also own a box in Philly where I did all my training and that's Crossfit, love and headed up there this weekend. We're having our Christmas party.

Ron Torrance:
But definitely that's where I kind of got my start and went down the rabbit hole of of Crossfit, and enjoying what I do. So I really love what I do and I hope I can make sure love what they do well.

Jason Ackerman :
You gave us definitely the elevator pitch, but couple of things that you hit on one. I think it needs to be said that Dave Castro gets a bad reputation, you know, for sure. And I think he is one of the nicest and most genuine people. And he's one of those people that, you know, if you were in a bind, he'd be there. And so I think people kind of see this image Eddie portrays and, you know, they see him at the Games, you know, where he barely says a word. But he's he's busy. And at the end of every games, he makes sure to make a point to say hi to the judges and shake our hands and make sure that we get, you know, a little kudos for the hard work. So definitely Dave gets a bad rap. Well, it's funny you bring up the Atlanta Regional Summit.

Jason Ackerman :
I was pretty friendly with Jeff. I let me know when I lived in Florida. His box is about 30 minutes away. But I remember when he didn't make it in one of the judges. I've heard this story numerous times. His name is Mike. Gee, have you met Mike G?

Ron Torrance:
I think so. If I saw him cry. No, no. I'm ready. When you're ready, it doesn't matter to people. Yeah. Yeah.

Jason Ackerman :
He's no longer with Crossfitters with the Asslet Bike. He's been on the podcast, but he's the one that came over to Jeff and made that call. And when the cameras showed it, he kind of put his hands up in the air like I told you guys, he didn't do it. And Dave yells at him to this day, because it's as a judge, you should be unbiased. And he was the call. But afterwards, he just wanted to let everybody know that he was right. But but they've talked about that. Yes. Unfortunately, he jeff a spot at the Games. And lastly, you brought up Crossfit, Love. I think you and I talked about it across. The love was actually the 1000 affiliate.

Ron Torrance:
Yes. Yes, that's true.

Jason Ackerman :
So you get free affiliate fees, I believe, back in the day that maybe you don't get it anymore. But originally when they got that, I remember there was a whole thing going on as Pie 2008. And I knew the original owner of Crossfit, Love and he got free affiliate dues for for life at the time.

Ron Torrance:
Yeah.

Jason Ackerman :
So lots to talk about the lesson. You know, the people listening to the Crossfit, health episodes really want to hear about what's going on in California when you guys are out there and you and Abby go out there. What, quarterly Now?

Ron Torrance:
It's it's roughly quarterly, yes. The d.c's are usually quarterly, so the next one is gonna be February 2nd. That's actually the date of my birthday. We are intending on going out at this point and it's something where I make the time to get out there because there's a lot of good speakers that come to the to the DDC and the the hosts. Now it's become it was Pat Sherwood. It still is the host. But what they've graciously done is Gary Taubes, who is the writer and author of Good Calories, Bad Calories.

Ron Torrance:
He also did another book called Why We Get Fat. He's also coming out with another book. But these are really what expose the lipid hypothesis. How how actually how wrong the lipid hypothesis was. According to according to Gary Taubes, he's an investigative journalist, journalists who don't know him. He's fantastic. We haven't read his books. Definitely check them out. A good college about calorie is why we get fat. And it's talking about how we really demonized fats and made them the source of problems for medicine. And really, it's not that fats out of the problems is really the sugars. And what we did was we really caused people to start decreasing their consumption of fats. And what we've seen is the increase, increasing rise of obesity, diabetes since that's happened, because what do we play replace fats with? We replace with carbs. Carbs are easy, easier to eat. They cause you to increase your caloric consumption. And it's usually very empty calories. And those are those are increasing calories. So, you know, a lot of people be like, oh, well, you're you're demonizing saying that, you know, the sugars is causing the problem. I would say that the the consumption of sugar causes an increase of caloric intake, which we all know if you increase your caloric intake coupled with, you know, caloric intake, you're going to cause increase in weight gain. And if it's carbohydrates, you it in the abdominal tissue, the abdominal fat. So that's something that that really is that's one of the biggest things that we talk about out there.

Ron Torrance:
And Gary Taubes is really that kind of like the guy who's like the host. Now, this week, this past weekend, you know, we had four different speakers one. One was very memorable. She talked about she was a female and she talked about sexual dysfunction and how obesity is causing you not be able to get erections. And that's part part of the the really the vascular problems that that come when people get obese. And they caught that because a lot of vascular issues. She was super, super funny. Pat Sherwood said that she's also a standup comedian, which I would doubt she was pretty entertaining. The other person was a scene, gives them a scene. He's a he's a cardiologist out of England. And he works for the NIH, I believe, right now. And he was fantastic. He was super well-spoken and talks about really how how the industries of, you know, sugar really kind of have paid off a lot of the. Journals and making making the journals really kind of show us that, you know, you can do that. They pay for all these studies. And if the studies that show what they wanted to show, they pretty much just squash the study. And at the end of the day, you know. You know, I think that sugar just causes overconsumption of calories, which causes are really our general health to go down. And if we can really get off the couch and off the carbs, that's really the monster that we really go with the DDC. So.

Jason Ackerman :
So you guys all get out there. And is it just a bunch of crazy doctors that are like, you know, we are doctors in your world that don't believe this? I don't believe but don't prescribe to what most other doctors do. Is it just like. A party the entire time. Are you guys studying and thinking about how to advance? This is a just casual get together and see what goes on at these DDC. They give us the backstage pass, if you will, since most of us will never get to check these out.

Ron Torrance:
Great question. And what I what I would relate this to is when you go to what a palooza when you go into these sanctions. Right. If you're not participating in the sanctions, what is it about? It's about the relationships that you built. And I think that's that's for any conference that you go to. So this conference is more about linking up like minded people to run, try to really solve the problem. That is the health care system. Right. It's not a health care system. It's a sick care system. We treat the people when they get sick. We don't prevent problems at this point. We just treat people when they get sick. So we give you a diabetes medication when you have diabetes. We'll give you a hypertensive medication with me, have hypertension. And one of the best prescriptions is physical fitness and diet, exercise and diet. So that's really why, you know, and also you can talk about this at the level one. What's the first part of the pyramid for the level one? Nutrition.

Jason Ackerman :
Absolutely.

Ron Torrance:
So so that's really, really where I think the biggest misconception is, you know, we're not going out there just having a big party. We're actually trying to figure out ways to make our system a better system. Right now, it's broken. It's really, you know, almost overload one percent of our GDP. Last time I checked was it was our health care system and it continues to climb because it's a sick care system. And the more sick we get people, the more drugs they take, the more money that gets fed back into the pharmaceutical industry, which then ends up doing this vicious cycle. So and that's why, you know, if if we don't fix this, you know, we're going we're gonna really go broke. The country's gonna go broke up because of health care. So that's why we're trying to fix we're trying to expose the truth and really trying to start, you know, and that's really the Crossfit, health. It starts with the truth. And once we expose the truth, we can figure out that from the bad.

Jason Ackerman :
Imagine is a little bit of partying going on.

Ron Torrance:
So, so so me I'll give you my my this past weekend, I flew into to Santa Rosa. We got to drive down over the Golden Gate, which is super fun. Never been over the Golden Gate Bridge. And so that was on Saturday. OK, so we get there. And so the first night I worked with Daniel Hale and organized a little mixer. So for we can all get together and again, have those conversations. What are you doing in your practice? How can we help our patients? How can we do those things? You know, you have a drink, but, you know, it's it's something where this is you know, you're trying to have a drink to try to help solve problems. The guys spoke, too. He was out there.

Ron Torrance:
Please put his name up. But he's got a direct primary care practice that he has started. And he was he had six thousand patients in his practice before having to having to care for six thousand patients. And he told everybody he gave them a letter and said, hey, listen, I'm only accepting 350 patients from a direct primary care, which will be seventy five dollars a month so that you can have access to working with me more one on one. And I don't have to see a huge number of patients. And this is something that's really the big push in movement right now, because you can't functionally see six thousand patients and your panel and really have people actually have more than five to 10 minutes with the doctor.

Ron Torrance:
Now, direct primary care practice allows for more time with your doctor, which is what we're trying to do to trying to really push the envelope and try to do a better way to prevent problems before they become problems. So that's, you know. So that was the first Saturday night. So I'll walk you through the whole weekend. So.

Jason Ackerman :
Take us through.

Ron Torrance:
Yeah. So. So that was the first conversation we had. And then Tom McKoy. He's. So he was there as well. He's a E.R. doctor. And he's a he's a director for a regional hospital in in California.

Ron Torrance:
He's he shows up pretty frequently and he's been there pretty legislate. So we talked I talked with him about just about, you know, what that looks like that from the other side, right. The reverse side of the coin. You know, we have this guy who's going into direct primary care, which is more the preventive side.

Ron Torrance:
And we also have the side where, you know, Tom, you see and people come in with diabetic ketoacidosis with problems that are preventable if they start doing exercise and eating right. But they're coming in and they're just going documenting a pill or, you know, and they're dying in the form 50 from heart attacks. And and they're not taking care of themselves. And they fall down and break their hip because they don't have exercise because of osteoporosis opinion. These are things that are really plaguing our our health care industry.

Ron Torrance:
And so these conversations are really good to have because he sees that side. He's like, you know, having a kid who's 16 come into it, come in and he's a diabetic. Que acidosis. That's because he's got type 2 diabetes at 16 years old. 400 pounds and he's you know, he's essentially become a you know, it's it's the it's not really a direct result of his fault, but I think it's upbringing. We got to really work on figure out how to correct his dietary habits, which probably start with his family, which you're probably also overweight or obese and have problems. So it starts in the beginning. You start with the exercise and, you know, exercise and diet. Again, go back to nutrition. Kind of hammering that home and making sure people are eating right and saying where sugars and processed foods. So that's kind of like what we did on Saturday night.

Jason Ackerman :
They watched the fight. Good fight, right?

Ron Torrance:
Yeah. Yeah. Losman finally got on with those things. Yeah.

Jason Ackerman :
I thought I thought Clinton had a broken jaw in the third round. I think you get it just shows how tough those guys are. But.

Jason Ackerman :
This is also coinciding with a level one, correct?

Ron Torrance:
Yes. So. So the GDC is the. Are the people who've gone to B-level one already. So the level one for the new m._d level ones, they go out on they get there on Saturday morning and they do their Saturday classes in typical Level 1 and they go through the typical Level 1 training. Really? And with one caveat. You know, Sunday, Greg came and spoke to all of us. The DDC and the level one at Crossfit, HQ. And give us a talk about really why this weekend was actually going to be. I saw the recent settlement for $4000000 from The NSA was an NSA,.

Jason Ackerman :
NSC,.

Ron Torrance:
NSC. So the NSCA and they're they're deleting files and all this kind of stuff. And we had a really good breakdown on what actually happened there. And it was pretty, pretty appalling to see what the NSCA went through to try to really damage report Crossfit, culture and Crossfit, across its name. Right. They pretty much slandered Crossfit, ers. It was it was libel or signed. It was written. Right. So its thing is libel.

Jason Ackerman :
Either way, they they hid. They lied about Crossfit, and injuries and all that bad stuff. So it's nice to see that it was finally resolved in Crossfit, was, you know, free and clear of all of that. So as someone you mean you're really fit guy? You know, you do Ragnar races, you compete locally, all that kind of stuff. I think one of the biggest push that we got in a community is when Coach Glassman made a lot of shifts in the last year, too. Right. So be it. The Web site, be it. This shift from regional sanctions is a little less emphasis. It seems like non-competition, although this year is super exciting. And I think, you know, it's it's pretty cool to see long term. His vision is actually working. But, you know, really his goal is to push health. Where do you what do you tell people that are out there that are you know, I love Crossfit, because of this or that. Now, let's say this guy's just trying to push health. As a doctor, what do you say to those people and how do you feel about it?

Ron Torrance:
So that's a great question. And Greg, Greg says it best. Pat says it best. Sherwood and there's a Pat Sherwood was starting a legend's course and master's course. And this is where I think that we we've forgotten where we are. Roots are as a Crossfit, community. This is a community. And it's, you know, you're only as strong as your weakest link and you got to cheer on even the last person finishes. And that's really what it's all about, right? It's getting people healthier and getting people off the couch, off the cards. And, you know, if you're if you're your mom or grandma sitting there and they're trying to get their their their groceries to the house, what do they have to do on a regular day to day basis if they have to put their grocery down at the front door to do a deadlift and squat and then to do these fundamental things. And if we're not focusing on health, you know, we're going to continue to, you know, getting those people end to do some exercise and movement. And that's really where I think that we've kind of forgotten our roots, the games of the Crossfit, games. They were something that came on, you know, kind of got everything notoriety, but Crossfit, as a whole. And as far as what what this was based on, you know, the Level 1, nutrition, the first first box. Right. We have to make sure we focus on what's the most important thing that people who come in the gym.

Ron Torrance:
It kind of frustrates me when I see people come in the gym with the donuts and all these kind of things that are super, super unhealthy, super sugar packed. And I'm sure they're going like, you know, like, come on, guys. I mean, like, this is, you know, or, you know, especially with a coach. Right. If it's if it's if it's somebody a member, though, hey, listen, you know, it's OK to have it. She did once awhile and have it. You have a good snack and stuff. But I really it we've got to lead by example. And a lot of times we forget what we're trying to do. It's not about how how strong the strongest one is, but it's how strong the whole community is. And that's why SPRO is as strong as they were back in in mythology. Right? They they were they were strong at one shield or one shield went up or one shield got taken down. The shield was the most important part. And in Sparta, because they had a that's a team. Now, if if your shoulder your helmet came off, that didn't bother anybody. But the shield would make a weak link in the whole line and cause people possibly to defeat defeat the Spartans. So we've got to remember that we have to help and raise up every person in the community. And it's not just one person. That is our community. It's every single member in gym.

Jason Ackerman :
I like that. Yeah. And, you know, I think there's a lot of people, myself included, you probably know you're guilty of, hey, we bring in these foods and that foods for fun or post-workout. And, you know, we use that kind of excuse to the glycogen and we have to replenish it. But yeah, there's probably people at the box that are struggling with their nutrition and maybe no matter what their work look like, shouldn't be having a doughnut. Post-workout. And it's important to remember know I know when I've had my boxes or even just been a coach in boxes. You bring in the leftovers from the holidays that we're about to have. But yeah, you're you might be able to hold strong and and have willpower. But the other people might not be able to. So where do you see it? You kind of have an inside view and you hear Coach Glassman talk last week. What do you think we're going, you know, twenty, eighteen and twenty nineteen where a big change for a lot of people from the change in the regionals to two opens to the change in the website January 1 of this past year. What do you think's going to happen in 2020 and beyond?

Ron Torrance:
So they 20 in 20 and not really were going to be more of the first 20, 20 is be the first new year of the actual the open being in October and being officially in October.

Ron Torrance:
I think it's going to be good because quite frankly, I'm worn out. I did both opens and and I quite frankly have been trying to do this. Mm. Ro. It's been a very, very taxing but it's almost been good. It's almost like my actual recovery after a whole year when you're doing you know, you get 10 weeks of the open and giving your all on all these workouts and those repeating them if you're somebody who really is really passionate about it.

Ron Torrance:
You really put in your cnrs on overload. And I'm super excited to see kind of what this year plays out like. I do think that, you know, I think the website is fantastic. Now, I think it's got a lot of good stuff. You know, getting your family into the boxes. I think that that's really what we're you know, we're we're looking out for this year. I can tell you that Pat Sherwood and Nicole Carroll are working on really making sure that we have things that people can do at home when they're when they're on their couch or by their couch. I think you've probably seen the amazing living room on on Crossfit, dot com. And that's really what we're trying to do. We're trying to help more people get healthy. And that's probably most underserved population that they get to their 50s. And my dad included. My dad used to run like six miles and stuff. I used to watch him do a lot of things. He's played baseball. And now he's like, oh, well, you know, I heard and I'm like, well, are you doing any exercise? You sit there, you know, you do your thing. Now I see him stretching and doing things because you see my brother and I really being a good influence. I went to that Ragnar, and I'm like. You know, you should be doing some squats. You know, I looked at your bones, man, and I treated him. I'm treating him. And I'm like, hey, you're like withering away. We need to get some more protein, your diet. We need doing some exercise.

Ron Torrance:
This is good for bone density, right? What's good for arthritis? Exercise and eating. Right. And then what's good for you know, that's really good. Helps make your bones stronger. What's good for us, your process, your exercise, weight being exercise. These are things that, you know, I think that what we're going to see in 2020 is that we're going to see a traditional year, a new traditional year, coupled with really good verbiage. And I think that we're going to see, you know, more community. I think this is great for community because quite frankly, doing the open being teams and all like stuff, so many people vying for these spots, it makes you you know, I personally like for 2016, the two thousand eighteen I've been chosen. Fifteen inches. Eighteen. Not a fortune. So I feel like my body was like just getting destroyed. Working out. And one of the off season for Crossfit, right next to this past year, we haven't had one. We had. We had no downtime. And I think that something you need to have it right. Baseball has an off season for a reason. Go to the gym and workout. Crossfit, has to go to the gym workout after Crossfit,. That mean for an off season maybe do some sports reminiscent of a little bit more dynamic. Get some more. You know, I think one thing Crossfit, and it doesn't do as much, but it depends on the programming is, you know, lateral movements, some dynamic movements to try to really work on some of those. The cross-body stuff. So I must say.

Jason Ackerman :
Did you do things like the rqagon? You say you're rolling a million miles. We just had Greg Hammond. Don wanted to see you doing a million miles over the course of the year.

Ron Torrance:
Million meters .

Jason Ackerman :
Million meters. I mean. And then. So began that on January 1st.

Ron Torrance:
Kathy Glassman comes up to me when we're out there at the DDC December and she was just do you want to do. Million meters.

Ron Torrance:
And so she has this whole spreadsheet and I got to admit I'm pretty behind. I'm probably enough to roll a lot here. These last days and hopefully make it. But that's the challenge right.

Jason Ackerman :
You know, let's say 1 million may try to type this into my computer right now. 1 I can't tell many zeros and there's zero divided by 365. Yeah. So you need to do over a two K every day.

Ron Torrance:
Over 2k every day. Yes.

Jason Ackerman :
Right needed to play about eight.

Ron Torrance:
So. So if you do 4k 4k you get a hundred days off, something like that.

Jason Ackerman :
So you do 4k here let me give it that. They get to do sixty five times. Let me see this times four. Equals. Oh, I it should be four thousand.

Ron Torrance:
Yeah.

Jason Ackerman :
That puts you over a million. OK. But that's a lot like you say, there's a way. Hey, we just do it for a 4k couple of times a week. No big deal.

Ron Torrance:
Oh, yeah, and that's and that's the thing I thought the is this week. And she's like, we've got to figure out a better thing for next year. Because it's just like the rowing got old. And I'm like, absolutely, can we do anything with an erg? Like, can we do like the bike, the row and and the skier erg?

Jason Ackerman :
Maybe we can be cool, like, hey, you can do a million meters in any kind of conjunction of those three things. I think I've never heard someone do the million meters that doesn't get to about this point in a year and realize they made a big mistake.

Jason Ackerman :
And it's like I got to row a marathon in the next seven days in a row. You know, that's almost anyone that does a million meters gets to this point. Very few people start and stay consistent for 365 days.

Ron Torrance:
Well, and so so here here's here's my here's my bugaboo, right. I had we had two opens. And then, you know, I'm a person who wants to do. I've been doing Awaken Training series with Margus phile. I've been doing that. It would be like the kind of came out and I enjoy it. It's something more where I'm general of a more functional bodybuilding stuff. And I've done a lot of cross-body and a lot of kettlebell stuff, but not every day in my rowing. So I would add a bike a row into there. And if I had rowing, it's like I tried to translate that. Like, you know, whatever rowing I did, I recorded it. But like, you know, some days it's like there's no rowing in there. So I got change of the bike or a change like a skier or so I'd go to the row and like, I don't know if that's the right stimulus thing. I'm doing a lot of polling. But it was it's been fun. It's been fun. Is it due to 2K warm up or. Right. Just did it to warm up. Full. You know, you're sitting there for, what, eight minutes? You know, it's not bad. I mean, that's all you really need to stick to and then maybe do another like if you have any work, if you have any during the workout, it could happen. Greg Hammond hooked me up with a refurbished rower. I bought that from him from from concept 2 up the house now. So I use it all the time.

Jason Ackerman :
Yes. You basically need a rower at your house. I mean, you could do it at the box, but you're just gonna be in the way. And, you know, I've had rowers in my previous homes before. And, you know, whether you're training for something specific, it's easy to throw onto Netflix. And you can say, you know, Greg, though. Yeah, yeah. Great deal.

Jason Ackerman :
Just on TV. Guys, you listen to this episode. Greg talks all about content 2 great, great guy. But yeah, anybody that gets into these challenges, I know on the level one staff, there's a guy named you've probably met him, Brian Contact. He's been on our episode. But Tosh Crossfit, on tape. And there's always a crew of people that do something crazy. I think they've done a role in the past. I know one year they did as many rounds as Cindy as you can do in a year.

Jason Ackerman :
And you get. It's almost like we do this Crossfit, thing so we don't specialize. But then you end up specializing.

Ron Torrance:
Yeah,.

Jason Ackerman :
But I don't have to hook you up with some muscle. anarchy. Courtesy of Thunder, bro. When we get off this episode, you like that? You know, it's a similar to Marcos's stuff. He's got some great stuff out there. So what's next for you in twenty twenty? What are you going to do to help lead the charge to get people to understand how important this fitness thing is?

Ron Torrance:
So, yeah, so what I'm going to do, so I just emailed Kathy and said what the challenge this year?

Jason Ackerman :
Well, keep me posted. Let me know what it is. If it's something that's in my wheelhouse. Maybe I'll maybe I'll see at the immense agency. Get in on it. I need a little challenge to shadow you.

Ron Torrance:
Hey, Kathy, with the challenges here is that we talked about it. We never we never actually defined it. You know, that's so. So one of things for this year. So I'm actually become part of my practice, which is super, super exciting.

Jason Ackerman :
Congrats.

Ron Torrance:
We're open and we're opening a Miami location February 3rd. And that's been a big, big night. I don't think it's super, super building a location. If anybody's opened a box, you can understand that. But medical becomes a little bit more. A lot of there's a lot of T's to cross and either dot making sure you have all the licensing and all this kind thing. So that's what. That's right.

Ron Torrance:
But in my practice, it's something it's nice because my business are an hour long and I get to talk to people about nutrition, but that exercise component about how they can get back to doing what they love. And that's what what two thousand really twenty holds for me is, you know, I want to continue to help people avoid peak surgery. And that's really what for me is happening from the DDC perspective. I know that they're starting a beta test for on the Web site. They're going to have any previous DDC member or M.B. that ones listed on the website. So I actually do some some functional consults to try to help people if they're at adrenal fatigue or those kind of things.

Ron Torrance:
Still kind of like as a little caveat, my fiance does most of the initial consults and it's super, super taxing. I'll jump in because I I actually. And the medical advisory board for Dr. X.com and also for Chris Kressler. And if you know either of those guys. I am. But yeah. So Chris Gresser is functional. Medicine does a lot of stuff just on the Joe Rogan podcast, which James Wilks combating, talking about the the greatest movie ever. Greatest documentary ever. What is it called.

Jason Ackerman :
Game changers.

Ron Torrance:
Don't get me started on that. That's a whole.

Jason Ackerman :
That was a great episode. Dale Yeah, you guys are listening. It was. Entertaining because I mean, basically, you have these people arguing, but something you know, it was it was a. I always like when you can see people arguing different points, but in a friendly way and let's say it was friendly, but there was no yelling, there was no screaming, there are no threats. But basically, Chris casler comes off kind of like a serial killer. You know, and and I mean, that's a good way. Supersmart. I believe him. I trust him. But he's just I say that in such a way that he doesn't show emotion. You know, he's making very valid points. He has his notes and he doesn't let it deviate. He doesn't get emotionally invested. And I think that throws off like James Wilkes in this example because he was so heated.

Ron Torrance:
Yes.

Jason Ackerman :
Kessler is just like, no, this is the truth. And it's like you're almost afraid of those people. I want you to get mad, but you're not. And that it's cool. It was a great episode and definitely eye opening. And if you get if you're a box owner coach to you, get in your members and ask you about game changers. Go listen to that, because it will point you towards the truth.

Ron Torrance:
Absolutely. And that's that's my biggest thing. Note in that in that podcast, just kind of spoiler alert if you want to don't want to listen. You don't know anything about the podcast, right? Listen to yourself. Don't listen to this. But so the biggest thing that I saw was.

Ron Torrance:
They both agree on the same fundamental diet. It's plant based with well sourced meats and to get enough plant base and nuts, nuts, seeds and lettuce and all always kind of like greens, right. And greens. You have to eat a lot of greens early and then those well source meats really give you that protein and even those together really help. Really, they're talking about like her most. That was in a tree turn at her most. It wasn't her most sister. But there's a term that a term where you have a synergy with the plants and the meats together actually making super beneficial for you and having the bioavailability that meats have with with the B vitamins and such. And they with B vitamins B. OK. Well yeah, yeah they they supplement it. Well that's poor source of meat to supplement with. Poor source of meat. And it's just one of those things where you know Kressler may like one, he makes like one statement and James will jumps down his throat which I was like you know, listen. You know he. The problem that I had with it was I liked it. That was a great discussion. A lot of a lot of times Joe was super good at really kind of leading the discussion and being the mediator. But the one thing that I found was a little bit kind of perplexing to me was with the way James, it personally kind of attacked Chris Gresser. Yeah, you didn't. You said this is a no man. We're just we're having a discussion here. And he asked him to clarify his point of view at the start. And James bounced all over that question.

Ron Torrance:
And and just to me, as is somebody, you know, James, a very good, very good debater, but I don't necessarily think he had the right persona. He does make allusions in that film that I'm concerned about and that I think my patients that my patient would be concerned about looking at. Right. They look like they have red meat. And then I put like immediately put like cigarette smoking next to it. And he doesn't make the statement.

Ron Torrance:
He's like, oh, well, that was meant to be that way. But you put it right next to cigarette smoking. What do you think people are going to think in their head? You know, it's like you're making allusions. And just because you're you're not saying it doesn't mean that people are thinking it.

Jason Ackerman :
So he was trying to win these like my opinion and these little small battles of like peanut butter. And it was like no one can help. You're right. It's three scoops and beat, but it's not five. Like, who cares? Like, that's not the big picture argument that we're trying to make here. And it was just like these little tiny wins versus actually confronting the big issue. Well. Ron, any anything else add for the listeners that are out there tuning into here, yeah,.

Ron Torrance:
Yeah, yeah. So one thing I like talking about is our company Regenesis. We are really the world's leading provider of regenerative treatments. We we have to go to eugenics. SOUTHCOM are AEG's and E X. You can look up studies talking about, you know, really what can be treated with regenerative medicine. And if you're looking for a provider, you have some injuries or anything like that that be fantastic, too. You know, obviously, check that Web site out. They do have the 40 different locations throughout the country. I always would prefer to come see me in Florida and get a Florida vacation. If you have any problems, can see me. But that's fantastic. You just go to the Web site and see which ones close to you. And they have a really cool like actually the way that the Web site actually would direct you to the one that's closest to you when you actually go on the Web site, which people. So that's something that, you know, I'm sure. I think that people get cut off for the wrong things. Menace means cutting out of meniscus is not beneficial. There's multiple studies out there that don't ever get a fusion in my psyche, a fusion. Make sure that you try some injection therapy for your lumbar spine if you have any back problems or anything like that. There are some things that, you know, there's there's really no good evidence anymore pointing out like those kind of treatments. I want to make sure people find an alternative to surgery and at least try that first. It's it's, you know, in my in my field, it's a interventional orthopedic worth a shot and trying to make sure that person gets better. So, no, that's the only thing. I mean, like.

Jason Ackerman :
Yeah, definitely. Check that out. Let me ask for a free diagnosis while we're on the phone here. I have something known as pilots' Rigidness. Have you heard of it?

Ron Torrance:
Yes. Yes.

Jason Ackerman :
Is it treatable by you guys?

Ron Torrance:
Absolutely. And that's something that your big toe is very you know, it's almost become fused, essentially. Yes.

Ron Torrance:
And painful?

Jason Ackerman :
Extremely painful.

Ron Torrance:
Absolutely. And I could I could get you injection your joint and see if we can get you some some relief. I do pure pea or stem cells in that joint, depending on how severe pilots rigidness. And I'd be happy to see it. You want to document. We could even have you come down and have like a little a little treatment vacation. And we can get shot going live to inject you life.

Jason Ackerman :
Well, you know, I you know, I don't know. Why do you think of it when we met? Yeah. Yeah. I did have one cortisone shot in it about two years ago. It helped tremendously. But I was like, OK, I don't want to be doing this forever. And the cortisone shot itself left me like immobile for about a week. I could barely walk on it and just been dealing with it in the meantime. I'm like, well, maybe I need to do something. I order a little bit. You know, it hurts primarily when I train jujitsu, which is every day and lunges because there's no flex in that toe. Right. So I basically avoid lunges or when I have to and things like needles. And I basically step with my flip turn now in a way that I'm probably going to hurt something else. So, yeah, I got to get to Tampa and find if there's a you got a spot here in Boulder.

Ron Torrance:
Yeah. So when my good buddies, Jason Marcal, he actually was one of the OG guys at the Crossfit, Games. I think this is their 2011 medical miracle. Kelly. And he he was one of the original like medical staff. So he's he's out there. He's at the Centennial Schulz Clinics Clinic out Brifile. And he's a good friend of mine. Good shot at him. He's an M.D. That one as well. We went to the same one together. That was the last one at the ranch. And he just went as work, you know, always. Do you have a cold, though? Come beanch or to be treated? You know, I like. I like to play up our Florida Florida medical medical leave trip, you know?

Jason Ackerman :
Well, yeah, I'm familiar. You know, I lived in Naples for a few years. And if I do that, I have to visit all my family. You know the stress of that. But, yeah, maybe I can sneak into Tampa or get a seminar schedule there again from all of the trips.

Ron Torrance:
No other trips, Jason, not going to see your family or holidays?

Jason Ackerman :
You know, when you travel as much as I did for Crossfit, and for other things, you just want to stay home over the holidays.

Ron Torrance:
Yeah, but I can appreciate that. I travel a good deal because of the box in philly, so. But yeah. So yeah. I no, I appreciate you having me on. If anyone has any questions. You hit me up. I love health, doc. That's my my handle on Instagram. And, you know, happy to answer questions. Slide my DM shout be questions. I do. I do. Facebook, live events. If you're on my app. If you're on my. And you follow me on Facebook or on torrents.

Ron Torrance:
I do Facebook, live events biweekly on Tuesdays where I answer anybody's questions about regenerative treatments, anything about nutrition. I'm happy to answer those things, too. And just trying to really change the health care to be better care. And that makes making people happy, happy and healthy. Make sure that they are able to love the ones that they love, you know?

Jason Ackerman :
Awesome. Yes. I think I can appreciate everything you're doing. And like Ron said, check them out, which I have again. Check out his Instagram. Go check out his Facebook lives. Because, you know, it's I think you're seeing that tide shift at least a little bit the in the health world. And it's one of the first questions I whether I ask. Check them out. It's like, hey, can I does my doctor do this stuff?

Ron Torrance:
Yeah.

Jason Ackerman :
And I think that's super important. So it's it's great that you're leading by example and really taking time. So. Yeah. And we're gonna I'm gonna hit you up right now once we get off and get set up to get some something done to this toe. It's amazing how just small little join impacts my life.

Ron Torrance:
I had I had a I broke my toe. Real quick caveat. I broke my toe playing beach volleyball and I've had a very similar mindset. Not that that joint, but the one distal to it. So I'm right there with you, me. And I'm trying to like make sure that my toes stay healthy. But it does bother you. It does. It does make a difference. You can't dawsy flex that toe. You know, I'll have my fiance say work with you with a little bit of range of motion mobility on the toe. She should do some, like, joint moves and then I'll go get you treated and feel better.

Jason Ackerman :
Sounds good, doc. Well, thanks so much for being on. I appreciate it.

Ron Torrance:
Jason have a great a great hour for your day, guys.

Jason Ackerman :
Okay. The best.

Ron Torrance:
The best, the best.

Jason Ackerman :
All right.

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