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156. Burpee Punishment

156. Burpee Punishment

Maybe you saw our recent Instagram Post. – It all about is it right to use burpees as punishment? Ackerman and Fern agree it’s not, even if it’s running joke in your box. It can have the undesired effect on your box meaning people would rather miss class then be two minutes late because of traffic. Once that happens a few time you’ve lost a member. And it’s more important to think about when is it dangerous to let them jump in, what is there a cut off point? 

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Ackerman:
All right, if you check our Instagram regularly, you saw yesterday's post where I made a little copy was caught. I don't think that's a word.

Fern:
It's definitely not a word.

Ackerman:
You know, I was going to say I was gonna say.

Fern:
Quirky.Quirky is a word, but. I was going to say not be an appropriate use of the term quirky.

Ackerman:
Let me. I was going to say quip.

Fern:
Is that a word quip? Is a word also not appropriate?That's a remember. You remember when we talked last week about not using terms we don't understand.

Ackerman:
I'm trying to expand my vocabulary. Try to hang out a lot with you. And I feel like my QI is slowly going down or trying to bring it back up.

Fern:
I know you're slowly realizing that you're not as smart as you.

Ackerman:
So anyway.I've made a comment on Instagram post about people they use burpees as a punishment at the box level and it got some some great feedback, mostly supporting it, but we haven't heard from you, Fern.

Fern:
I mean, just to hear your thoughts about it. So first and foremost. No, you shouldn't do it, but B, I don't know anybody that's been around longer than five years that probably hasn't done that at some point, you know.So for anybody who doesn't know we're talking about this is the scenario. The scenario is I'm briefing at the whiteboard or maybe I've started the general warm up.

Fern:
Jay walks in is there's no concept of time, overscheduled, overslept.And.

Ackerman:
Mostly that.

Fern:
Yeah, mostly if you're watching a video version of this, you definitely judge. I just woke up and then I punished Jay because he's late with buprees. It's five burpees very minute that you're late. So that was fairly common practice back in the day. Like you do it. Oh, yeah, we absolutely did it back in the day.

Fern:
So we're obviously not immune to that. However, I did post in that thread that most of us have done this. Like many things in the affiliate, not out of not trying to be malign or malicious. Out of pure ignorance, underst, not understanding that that is just. Terrible customer service. Even if the person's cool with it, it's still not cool.

Ackerman:
Now, when you would do it, though, was it like, hey, seriously, Susie, give me five burpees? It was the person I was strolling in in on the joke.

Fern:
Probably sometimes, yes, probably sometimes. No, I haven't done it in so long that I couldn't even give you any context of when it happened. But yeah, it's about right. I think the problem is that it doesn't matter if they're in on the joke or not.

Ackerman:
Right. I mean, I'm looking at folks like you being.

Fern:
So somebody being offended by something is is not what makes something that good or bad idea.

Ackerman:
Ok. I like that point you're saying even though everyone at your box can be like, hey, we signed it, we get that this is part of the deal if we're late, we do five burpees, that's still not a good idea.

Fern:
No, no, it's a pain point. And there's enough pain points. Once we say three, two, one, go. For people that I don't need to create any more pain points in their interaction with the gym, whether it's pain point for emails or pain points for there's no toilet paper in the bathroom or pain point for the web site's not updated. I'm trying to eliminate as many pain points as possible. And if they're dreading coming in late or not, or more importantly, not going to show up.

Fern:
Because they don't want to do burpees, that's a pain point. Yeah.

Ackerman:
And don't you think a lot of it just stems from the fact that those of us that we're around 5, 10 years ago. Have matured.

Fern:
Well, we've matured and also typically in Crossfitters youth, if you will.In the back in the days 10 years ago or 12 years ago, most of us were coming from probably a military or athletic background where there was a punishment for being late. I can show up practice punishment if you showed up to work late or you showed up to formation or an exercise late, like there's a punishment for that.And.Since then, we have matured to realize that this is not a sports team. This is not the military. People pay to be here to get a service. So punishing them is stupid. You know, I think the only thing that needs to be considered is at what point do I let them in the class, what's the cut off for me, allowing them to hop in if they're late?

Ackerman:
Right. Keeping them. Keeping them safe. Basic ground, because that is an issue that people forget. You can be late and I'm at the whiteboard. No big deal. No one's move. But when you're late and we've gone through half the warm up, all of a sudden you're not going to be ready when it's time to go. And I say maturity as well, because. Like you said, like you were a military guy and a sports guy. We all know we played Division 1 basketball. We don't have him talk about it.

Fern:
But oddly, oddly enough, oddly enough, oddly enough, when when you have a flow master brings that up at a seminar, I get a lot of weird looks, which is offensive to me. Right. People like. And he played Division 1 basketball. And people always get like a weird look because I'm white and I'm 5 10. Yeah. Yeah.

Ackerman:
I don't know any look on that side and you don't look like you can jump.

Ackerman:
But anyway. The point is, you know, we come from that background. Yeah, like a viewer late to practice, you do an burpees, your late especially in the military, you know, there's there's physical punishment. But then also, you know, 10 years ago, Fern and Jess didn't have two crazy kids running around. And maybe you can empathize as much with a mom that leaves work to go to daycare, to pick up the kids, to drop them at the babysitter to be late. And that was one of one of my favorite comments from this post as a screenshot, I put it up later in the day was exactly that scenario where this woman is running around to make a to make it five minutes late and then it's like you have no idea the struggle that I just went through to get here.

Fern:
So full confession. She is one of my members and I'm not sure if she's talking about us because it's been a long time since she's been here.

Ackerman:
Oh, really? I didn't know that. I had no idea.

Fern:
Her name's Christina and I love her. She's. She's. And I put it in that thread somewhere. She's one of my all time favorites. Like, she's amazing. She's she's the person that you really want and love to have in your gym who is simultaneously the person that makes you want to pull your hair out.

Ackerman:
And you could tell her that.

Fern:
A one hundred percent.

Ackerman:
She's probably listening.

Fern:
I've noticed this. What I'm telling the whole world is not a secret. She's the one who every day, three, two. I got to go to the bathroom. We just had a bathroom break like literally just now or I need I need my grips. I need it. So but again, I love her like she's a fantastic human being. If I could replicator one hundred times over, I would gladly vote at the same time.

Ackerman:
You can, like, bust your balls about it.

Fern:
She's super cool about it, but at some point people are not cool about it because they legitimately are dealing with life stressors. And it's and it's and it's one of those things where, hey, I can rib you and I can give you a hard time. And then that's that one day when it's like, not today, bro. It's not cool. Like you just need to calm down.

Fern:
So. But yeah, I mean, you do. I yeah, I do have the good fortune of empathy now because I do have to get.

Fern:
I mean, I'm I'm currently playing single parent right now. My wife's like out of the country. So yeah, it is a struggle to haul around an infant and a 6 year old who doesn't want to put her gloves on and the kid just crapped his pants and all of these things to try to get to class and get them where they need to be on time. So I, too, would be. Like really grumpy if somebody was giving me a hard time. I'll give you a perfect example.

Fern:
When was it two weeks ago. So the drop off line at school. Turns off at 8 08. So 8 a.m., 8 8 00 a.m., they're no longer doing drop off outside.

Fern:
So I get there 8 0 9 missed the drop off. I have to park. I've got to get her in there. Meanwhile, I still have places to go after this. And the guy sitting at the front desk is like, hey, get in here, you're late. To which one? I'm like, do you not think I realized that I'm late? I don't need you to tell me the obvious. I appreciate it, though, but I don't need you to tell me the obvious, which is I'm late. I wouldn't be hustling in here with my kids jacket half on if I did it. Wait, what? I was late, you know. So it's the same thing like I was I. It's the same thing that we probably don't realize that we're doing. The members, when they show up late, when they kind of peek around the corner looking guilty like. If that's the case, we were probably doing it wrong.Just like you said in the Post,.

Ackerman:
By the way, I really want to share that picture of Logan at gymnastics. Our best hour. It's exactly you.

Fern:
Everybody get a glimpse into my life as a parent.

Ackerman:
It's like that would be a great Crossfit, me. Like that is the member that we're talking about over the goyish that we should make it a meme. We'll make it. We can I will give the rights to use my daughter.

Ackerman:
So now where do we draw the line?It obviously I think anyone that saw the post yesterday, anyone listening to this episode. Hopefully, you know, a lot of things that we put out there are kind of gray. Try this. Do this. This is what we're saying now. It's pretty black and white. Don't. Don't be an asshole to your members is there's no other field like imagine you made a reservation at a restaurant. You show up five minutes late. We have your table. I have to do 5 burpees.

Fern:
I bet I would be I would be irate.So I think there's a couple things to take into consideration. Number one. So, again, context matters like is this person chronically late every day? Are they late by 9 minutes every day? It's just a conversation. And you just and ask them, are you late because you're just not paying attention? Or is this literally the earliest you can get in here? And if they're chronically late because they're just lazy and you can tell they just came from the beach or something like that, then you might have to have a conversation with them and say, listen, I would really appreciate being on your own time because that person probably is the person who's asking questions that you've already addressed. Doesn't really know what the workout is and it is going to cause potential issues in the class. But if it's a one off. Then again, I posted it enough for it as well. Like the only thing you should say is. A.J., it's good to see you. Glad you made it. And not like do nothing other than welcome them to the group.

Ackerman:
Yeah, I mean, and also, I would encourage the box owner, the coach to check themselves. So, for example, when I was in Florida, there'd be JJ school that I was training at. Every day class started at a different time and I was always late. So I started showing up late because I was like, I don't want to be here on time to wait for this guy to show up. And I'm busy. So maybe you need to check. Are you doing that yourself? Do classes actually start on time? You know, if it's 3:30. Are you at the whiteboard briefing? Because nothing gets me more mad whether it's at a Crossfit, box or jujitsu or everywhere, that it's like, hey, we're gonna wait for the people that are straggling in. No, I got here on time. Don't go. Why?Why am I being punished waiting for them

Fern:
or why am I going to why am I going to? Take a chunk out of my lesson plan when we have things to do that are important because so-and-so's late. We'll sort that out, but that doesn't mean you know it again. If we're talking about lesson planning. If you take three or four minutes out of the front end. I'm here to tell you that's a big deal. Oh, yeah. Your mess. I have a message today. You can mess up a whole mess of the whole lesson plan and most you don't think three, four minutes, a big deal. But it is a big deal. Now, I do think that there's a time and a place where.

Fern:
So you should be at the whiteboard starting, you know, at the hour or the half hour. We're 50 minutes, whatever time your class starts. I do think there's a little wiggle room if there's banter in there and there is some community things happening and there's some good interaction happening, like I will regular just let that go and cut it off. But what I'm not going to do is just. Give the same whiteboard grief that I was going to give. I'm going to take into account that we just were shooting the shit for two minutes and now I'm going to give a 90 second wife work grief and we're still gonna get out of there in three and a half to four minutes to get where we got to go. I'm not going to. You know, mess around for three minutes having jokes and then give a five minute whiteboard brief. Now it's eight minutes and now everything's jacked up because we sort to cover the muscle of the snatch. Whatever it is we have to do. And we basically just took up the entire general wall for that.

Ackerman:
No, absolutely. I think, you know, you need to be somewhat flexible in your timeline where you're not cutting off things that are boosting your community or having a fun conversation. And if you show your wife were brief, maybe you're putting a little bit of it into the general warm up or, you know, discussing some points that you would have made during this specific warmup. So certainly don't. Don't be so glued to your timeline that you can't make class fun. But I noticed in my time coaching in North Naples, Crossfit,, I coached and 330 twice a week and I started promptly at 3:30 every single time. And it's the first class of the afternoon. And oftentimes people would stroll in a little late. And I noticed over the years that I coached people started showing up on time regularly. But I was also the coach that you showed five minutes late. I was the one forcing you to take class. Like I was like, no, no, no, take class. I'll get you warmed up rather than staying for the 4:30. So you got to find that balance and start on time, but be welcoming. I knew at 3:30 people were leaving work or, you know, my buddy Nick had to pick up his daughter Chloe at school. So they got there as fast as they can. So, you know, you have to be open minded about it and realize, hey, this might be the only opportunity they get to work out like like your members said in that post. It's the last class of the day. If she doesn't get to that, she doesn't get to work out.

Fern:
Yeah, so I just think it's. And I don't think a ton of people do this anymore, but.

Ackerman:
Well, just for the record, that post came because I did see someone mentioned it in the Facebook group. Some people are still out there doing one.

Fern:
Yeah, it's a good point. There's probably actually a lot more people still doing it than I am. Yeah.

Ackerman:
And whether or not they're doing it, they're thinking about doing it. Definitely don't. What was it? Well, it doesn't matter what opposes it. That's stupid.I think it was just somewhere in the lines of like, do you do this or how do you handle this? So I honestly didn't pay enough attention to it. It just I realized, wow, this is still a thing. And I want to make sure people know it's a bad thing.

Fern:
It should definitely not be a thing anymore. It's just I think the only question is at what point is this inappropriate or in air quotes unsafe for them to get into the class? At what point is it now more of a problem? Than anything in order to try to get this person in their movie. And that depends. That depends on the workout. It depends on what your lesson plan looks like. It depends on honestly who the person is. If I've got a OGE that's been here for seven years and they walk in 15 minutes late. There's a high likelihood that I'm going to let that person hop in because they got places to go, because I also know something went wrong in their day. Yeah, because that's not normal. And I know they have two kids and they're a single parent and this is the class they show up to every single day and they understand the workout. Probably already looked at it today, know how to do a clean and jerk and ups. So all I need to do is make sure that they've got the blood flowing. And in those scenarios, sometimes I'll just tell them, get on the bike, get on the roller stick, be on there for 5 minutes and hop in when we get to the barbell. And I'm good with that.

Fern:
Absolutely. So this is one of those rare occasions referred, and I had drawn a line in the sand here saying, hey, don't do this anymore. If you are doing it, if you're thinking about do it, don't add it to your routine and, you know, keep your members happy. Appreciate the fact that they're rushing to get there. And just think about the many scenarios in your life where if you were late and had to do burpees, how frustrated and mad you would be and probably look for another place to go.

Fern:
You just. You want people to want to be there regardless of what's going on in their day. I learned this from one of my members who's a loser. I think I've talked about it before. He owns a couple Chick-Fil-A's and one of their things at Chick-Fil-A is never assume, you know, what kind of day the person at the window is having. So treat everybody the exact same. Because we have no idea what they're going through. They may have lost a loved one and may have gotten fired. They may just be having a bad day. So just say. Hey, I'm glad you made it. It's good to see you. Get in here. That's it.

Ackerman:
You need it's a perfect segue way into a promotion for the book. Best Hour of their day because there is a chapter all about that. When Austin was Austin Malleolo, at a level one, it was like, hey, you never know what someone's going through and you have to. I truly tried to take that approach in all aspects of my life. I deal with ferne regularly. I know he was a grumpy cab this morning and I'm like, hey, I don't know what he's going through.Turns out his single dating at this week. And that's amazing.

Fern:
Was grumpy because you you're not considered about other people's time.

Ackerman:
But anyway, he didn't. And the fact is, he didn't think about what I had going through. I was deep asleep at 9 a.m. and he woke me up and I was fully aware of what you're going through, which is what made me think, hey, wake up. We've got to reclarify anyway. Yeah, the book is out, but even cooler. Episode 2 dropped yesterday, so go check that out. Episode 2 of Dropping in our our new show on YouTube. Super. So we had great feedback on it and I'm positive you're gonna love this episode just as much.

Fern:
You don't make members do burkas for punishment.

Ackerman:
Don't make me impervious for punishment and head over to the best hour of their day, YouTube and watch Episode 2 of Dropping In. All right. And we'll be back. Thanks for listening to the best hour of their day.

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