77. Andrew and Jen Charlesworth | CrossFit Tuebor

77. Andrew and Jen Charlesworth | CrossFit Tuebor

In this episode, Jason Ackerman sits down with time Andrew and Jen Charlesworth are both on the CrossFit seminar staff, are involved with multiple other businesses, own and run CrossFit Tuebor, one of the most successful boxes with over 200 members, and manage to regularly squeeze in their own training. They have been both to regionals and Andrew is the other bro as part of the Thunder Bros with Dave. They discuss who they opened a box, how they grow their communities, different types of training and so much more. This is a great episode we hope you found it as funny as we did. 

Time Stamps:

  • Opening a Box as a married couple (3:02)
  • Growing a community (6:12)
  • When the friendship go bad (9:19)
  • As a box owner when you need space (11:50)
  • Relationship checklist (14:21)
  • Seminar Staff (18:20) 


Notes:

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Recommended book:

Own the Day, Own Your Life: Optimized Practices for Waking, Working, Learning, Eating, Training, Playing, Sleeping, and Sex

The Life-Changing Magic of Tidying Up: The Japanese Art of Decluttering and Organizing by Marie Kondo

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Andrew Charlesworth :
Oh, my God, this is ridiculous.

Jason Ackerman :
We got the dogs. Come on, it’s all right. I started recording. Andrew, I’m going to introduce you. Will you get the dogs. Again, you can hear me.

Andrew Charlesworth :
All Good.

Jason Ackerman :
Here we go. Here’s your introduction. The Charlesworths. No one refers to you guys as the Charlesworths, do they?

Andrew Charlesworth :
Some do.

Jason Ackerman :
Well, Andrew and Jan, not just longtime friends. We’ll talk about when I met you, Andrew, you because I remember now. Crossfit, Tuebor. You are the owners of Crossfit, Tuebor. Andrew is the co-owner of Thunder Bro. Both of you are on the Crossfit seminar staff and Jens is on the kids staff. Jen, also coaches from your eating, which is probably the best part of your resumé here. The best. And well, let’s run through the menagerie. Three dogs, eight chickens and two ducks.

Andrew Charlesworth :
Yupe nice.

Jen Charlesworth :
Circus.

Jason Ackerman :
I love it. I am one of my favorite parts of our road trip. We’re staying with you guys. By the way, I don’t know if you guys noticed I was at Jujitsu yesterday and I got a little bit of a black eye.

Andrew Charlesworth :
Oh nice! I didn’t know. I didn’t notice. It looks good until you pointed it out.

Jason Ackerman :
Well point being, I did not get the same care that Andrew got from Roz.

Andrew Charlesworth :
I talked about that to somebody the other day. It was my. If you if you even ask her more about the story. I was actively trying to fix myself with the mark pro with like everything I had in making it so much worse. Like if she bring the food, I wouldn’t have eaten.

Jason Ackerman :
Roz and I was staying with Andrew and Jen and I had to go. Where was the seminar? Andrew was off. Ross hung back. Andrew hurt his elbow like jujitsu, and Roz proceeded to nursing back to health. But here’s the real reason. I want you guys on the podcast. You guys run an amazing box. They have an amazing community. And not just saying it from being there, but all you have to do is go on their social media and you’ll see it all. But you’re also married.

Andrew Charlesworth :
Mhmm Five or four years in like one week.

Jason Ackerman :
Why is that? Has it only been four years of marriage?

Andrew Charlesworth :
Yeah, we’ve been together since 2012, maybe seven. Yes.

Jen Charlesworth :
It hasn’t been that really long, though.

Andrew Charlesworth :
Think about it, guys.

Jason Ackerman :
Well, we’re going to play a little game at the end. Don’t you worry, Andrew. You’ll prove it. I’ll prove it. You guys are a lot of fun to watch as a couple, but I’m sure just like owning a business with your wife like Roz and I do. There’s ups and downs. So I want people listening to just hear a different perspective of box ownership. So first and foremost, I guess the first question would be you guys decide to open. Was it just a joint venture right away or did one of you take the lead? And the other was kind of tagging along.

Jen Charlesworth :
It was us together the whole time. Yeah.

Jason Ackerman :
So just day one, you’re involved in Crossfit,. Hey, honey, let’s open a box together.

Jen Charlesworth :
Yeah. Andrew did some of the construction. If you want to call it that. Yeah. And he I mean we are both equally hands on at the gym. Even when we started it was it was us together for sure.

Jason Ackerman :
So when running a gym, theirs a billion decisions to be made, you know, from what barbells to buy to what color to paint the wall, how do you guys go about every little decision? Do one of you have. OK, Jen, you handle equipment versus Andrew, you handle the build out. How do you guys go about that? And I’m sure and we’ll talk about when you guys don’t agree on something, how does that get handled?

Andrew Charlesworth :
We don’t have systems. And to be honest, like it’s part of I think being a man, all you want to do is have systems and you want to have individual like organization skills and. Oh, boy. I was just doing this podcast. Let me rephrase my my vernacular. I was going to say then don’t marry like a woman because that’s that they they work differently. And neither one is better than the other. She is going to go based on, hey, I think that the walls would be good like this. But I want to do this first and for like me. I’m like, no, I need to finish a project. So it’s different ways of thinking. And I think when one person drops the ego on one and just lets. Like if I just say, hey, you’re it you’re you’re president of this. This thought this project. And then somebody she drops and like, all right, you take the reins on this one. That makes sense.

Jen Charlesworth :
Yeah. It’s kind of whatever job speaks to us. I think for sure, because he is more of a numbers guy.

Andrew Charlesworth :
I like money and number and that.

Jen Charlesworth :
And I am he is the business person. I’m the people person. But you’re people.

Andrew Charlesworth :
Whooop. Yeah. I think. Yeah. There’s there’s a people person and there’s an entertainer. I’m an entertainer. But the truth of matter is, if you’re having a hard time or you having a good time or whatever, she’s gonna be the one that cares a lot more. And I don’t say that to be mean. I just, you know, spread train and hang out and I’ll always entertain you. You know, I mean, that that’s the challenging part.

Jen Charlesworth :
Bottom line is we don’t have no systems.

Jason Ackerman :
I think that if I were to say, how can you explain not having systems in one answer, that would have been it that way. You guys just said so. Andrew, first said. Men shouldn’t marry women, is that … Is that we should take from this man, should marry women.

Andrew Charlesworth :
I didn’t want, you know, there’s people as the 2019s, you know. I just wanted to sort of. That’s one of my good things on my mind. You know, I guess this isn’t about marriage, but a lot of times if my friends will call me and they’re having trouble, their girlfriend or there are 30 plus, you know, obviously, you know, Like she wont ever clean or do dishes or doesn’t want to watch the shows i want to watch. And I’m just like sounds. Sounds like you just want to live with me like we did in college. and play xbox that would be amazing. Well, you understand what that entails. Right?

Jason Ackerman :
Yeah. I think your wife does a few things that I probably won’t do, but other than that would be great. I like this kind of direction because no systems. But one thing that is very apparent and I kicked off earlier is your community. So let’s make this show growing a community. You guys have you know, again, I see it from the outside. I don’t know what’s going on. I think you guys you’re giving each other l.

Jen Charlesworth :
He just farted . It was muffed into a cushion.

Jason Ackerman :
That will be the clip I take of this episode. Andrew you fired. But So. You know, everybody wants the answer of like, OK. How do you grow community? OK. Here are your eight steps. But it’s not like that. So what do you guys let’s talk about some of the things you do. Well, first and then let’s talk maybe about some of the mistakes you’ve made along the way. So what are some things, you know, you’ve done well to foster that community at Tuebor?

Jen Charlesworth :
I think we’re just there. I never understood when people were like, I own a gym, but I have a manager. That doesn’t make sense to me because we got into this to have friends and to build that community. So when people or when the owners are there, I think your community suffers. You know what I mean? It’s like the trickle down effect of we’re always there and we’re present and we’re giving our our best. And that wherever those hours, then that just fosters that.

Andrew Charlesworth :
The trickle down effect is the pro. Like she just said. And it’s also the con because if we’re tired, they’re tired. If we’re cranky, they’re cranky if we’re having a bad day. And that is a lot of times people like, oh, suck it up, buttercup. But if you’re not really authentic. Like if I’m treating you like you’re not part of my family or community, if I’m genuinely upset, then you’re probably gonna be upset with me in that back right or die mentality, too, because sometimes when I have three bad weeks in a row or..

Jen Charlesworth :
One time, Andrew is constipated for a whole week. The whole gym knew about it. Like every day is like, did you poop yet? Are you OK?

Jason Ackerman :
That is a good thing. That’s part of fun. Like that’s Andres probably talking about it. Yeah. Jokingly. And yeah. Became a fun joke. You mean, like I said, I was out there visiting you guys and you guys had people over every night. I mean, it’s clearly not just a gym. It’s a community it’s a family. But now. I think hearing that there’s also probably some pitfalls to that.

Jen Charlesworth :
Oh, yeah. I mean, they’re our closest friends and they’re our family. So we do have disagreements or things that happen and then it gets awkward and then you’re like, where do we go from here? Because we now have to treat you professionally. Whereas before it was, you know, your are your close friends. And sometimes that really sucks.

Andrew Charlesworth :
Not Sometimes, but that always.

Jason Ackerman :
Yeah. Give some advice a box owner is listening. And and I had this, you know, your friends are your members. I can’t pay this month or can I have a discount? We’re friends. How do you handle that?

Jen Charlesworth :
I don’t think true friends will ever ask for a discount.

Andrew Charlesworth :
Boom. Boom. I think that’s pretty accurate. Yeah. But also, I think, like, what are what are you at? Why did you actually open the Crossfit, gym? Because if you actually open across the gym to make it like profit wise, a lot of other businesses, even in fitness, you could be open that simply make money that you don’t have friends, connections, communities.

Jen Charlesworth :
Yeah.

Andrew Charlesworth :
And maybe you should have done that because if you’re if you’re opening up a Crossfit,, you get ready for your members to be happy, sad, married, you know, or divorced. Then one of them doesn’t get to school or one of them is now picking up like they got fired from their job. And it makes you literally can’t pay. Like, how do you know? Where do you go from all there when you like? These people love these people.

Jen Charlesworth :
I just think we’ve gotten by with never treating someone like they’re a dollar sign and that just means the most. We have people come from gyms that are like, I’m tired of being invisible in my gym. And they just I’m. That blows my mind that an owner of a gym can just see this person every day and never speak to them. Never ask them how their day is, never ask them how their kids are. That that drives me insane. So we are that little lighthouse in our community. I think of I don’t care who you are. I don’t care if you’re old or younger, weird. You’re a part of the family now. So I’ll ask you how your kids are.

Jason Ackerman :
How many couples got married from your box do you guys know?

Andrew Charlesworth :
I think only inside the gym, like 4?

Jen Charlesworth :
That they haven’t they haven’t met in the gym yet. Came as a couple.

Andrew Charlesworth :
But like two of our coaches got married.

Jen Charlesworth :
Oh, yeah. Two of our coaches,.

Andrew Charlesworth :
But probably four. I think we have about 35 married couples.

Jason Ackerman :
So you’re saying just at the gym in general. But the floor for met and they always had. That was the coolest part of owning a box. So you’re just not just new friendships, but new marriages.

Jen Charlesworth :
Yeah.

Jason Ackerman :
From a couple perspective now, the Charlesworth it’s you’re obviously heavily invested in your community. How do you find the balance of I’m part of this community, but then we also need some space once in a while.

Andrew Charlesworth :
In flow.

Jen Charlesworth :
That is really hard to because we live.

Andrew Charlesworth :
You act like you’ve been in this situation.

Jen Charlesworth :
Yeah. 20 seconds from the gym. So people just know. Sometimes I’ll pull the car in and shut the garage door so people think we’re not home. Just drive by and see. Oh yupe their home.

Jen Charlesworth :
It’s a. I don’t know. I think taking designated nights off has really helped us.

Andrew Charlesworth :
Yeah. Yeah. The, uh, the night off thing was a big deal.

Jen Charlesworth :
It’s Wednesday night off. Thursday morning off. Yeah.

Jason Ackerman :
So you guys do that every week. You don’t coach the Wednesday night. You don’t coach that Thursday morning. That’s, you know, a day away from the community, time spent together.

Jen Charlesworth :
You know, even Mondays are hard, you know, getting off the road. And then you gotta go back. You like your presence and attitude all weekend, and then you get a presence and attitude at your gym. And sometimes it’s like fake it till you make it. But I think we do a good job of taking Monday mornings off.

Andrew Charlesworth :
Yeah, it’s the take a right. Like you’re not doing. You’re giving yourself, giving yourself, giving yourself. Sometimes you lose track of what you are when you’re not giving. And I always relate back to probably not a lot of the listeners watched CBO documentary on MTV a long time ago. But he was addicted to that because of the camera.

Andrew Charlesworth :
He ended up like always having to have a camera on him, even to his ultimate demise before he was saved by Johnny Knoxville. And like he he was so scared to not be or not be on camera that it was sickly and like sometimes like, I better balance this out so I don’t end up like that.

Jason Ackerman :
What are some the things you guys do for balance? Because I want to talk about seminar staff by running a box and being on. I mean, like you said, you have to be on 24/7. I can’t imagine just that night and morning is enough. What else do you guys do for that balance?

Jen Charlesworth :
Cry.

Andrew Charlesworth :
I mean, seriously, if you like, we as a couple at least go on one dinner date night and I know that sounds so basic.

Jen Charlesworth :
We did make a checklist for relationship so we don’t get stuck because, you know, it’s like, do I really want to go out? you and Roz went through this. I saw you posted. I I can’t go out because I have to change my meals. And stepping outside of your box. It’s easy just to go Let’s go to the same restaurant. Let’s go to the same whatever that we do. So what’s on that list?

Andrew Charlesworth :
I have it right there. Let me grab my phone. Yeah. We made a checklist of that. This is funny you said,.

Jason Ackerman :
But let’s go over it, because I think if someone’s listening, whether you’re a box owner, you work with your wife or just want to improve your relationship. Let’s let’s take some marital advice from Charlesworths it’s here, and then I’ll give you guys a piece of advice. Roz and I are working on.

Jen Charlesworth :
I mean, this this works for us, but it was the first thing was a change of scenery.

Jason Ackerman :
Uh O?

Andrew Charlesworth :
Here we go. Relationship, I call it the relationship anecdote. I don’t even know if that’s the right word.

Jason Ackerman :
I don’t know. That’s like when someone just tries to use the Big word. It doesn’t really fit.

Andrew Charlesworth :
I remember now having it written it. What it was, was that we were wondering how like, hey, we should connect, we should like each other in this effort. There’s not like we were mad. We just we had other stuff in here where the common five things that brought us together might change of scenery. Daughter movement, like walking like a dog, walking the dogs, like going on a bike ride, something. No phones for at least like 60 Minutes. I think it was pretty obvious after be face to face. Side to side doesn’t work.

Andrew Charlesworth :
And then it has to be a common activity. If we if we both watched a movie, even waltz on face to face, it was least a common activity. But like, if she’s on her phone and we get past each other good night, because we were trying we’re trying to watch Game of Thrones or starting Season 1. It’s not it’s not that good yet. But I guess back in the day, it wasn’t that good. Apparently it’s better. But like I had to answer this text message. I cannot remember it was a non-negotiable.

And then I was like, hey, I’m really sorry. I wish I could. It is not answer that, but I’m still here. And then I saw her on her phone and I tried to give her. I was like, well, same shit. I was kind of like. And, you know, she’s probably on Instagram. Stuff like that. But either way, it didn’t matter since I said that this is important. It’s important in her not going on Instagram, but like it doesn’t. That’s up the matter. So that was a brief of a brief ten minute five maybe, Max. Let me know when I go frequently lately that that happens and I like it.

Jason Ackerman :
So let me just recap. Change the scenery. Make sure there’s some movement involved. There can’t be phones face to face, and it’s a common activity. Yeah. And that’s the secret to the Charlesworth’s marriage.

Jen Charlesworth :
Pretty much. Yeah. Going to Costco.

Andrew Charlesworth :
Yeah. Like we love going to Costco because also grocery shopping.

Andrew Charlesworth :
Yeah. Yeah. Not us. No. No, really. Costco is different than grocery shopping. Grocery shopping makes me angry. There’s triggers and groceries, grocery shopping. That makes me angry.

Jen Charlesworth :
Because he treats. Every alley.

Andrew Charlesworth :
I know because I don’t like to spend money.

Andrew Charlesworth :
I hate spending dumb money. There’s nothing in the world I hate more than spend the money. And when you go into a grocery store, you spend dumb money when you go to Costco. Oh, man, you save money. You are you are crushing life like shouldn’t. If you have a Costco membership and you’re trying to think of yourself as like saving money for the future with others, then.

Jen Charlesworth :
This is a good little rant.

Jason Ackerman :
Yeah. I mean, I’m going to try to get this podcast sponsored by Costco. So here’s an activity for for you your next date night or whenever you’re going to do. Maybe tonight Roz and I are working on ours. And it was her idea. You take your last name, so you’re gonna take Charlesworth and you’re gonna come up with a word for each letter that is a common value that you both have. Which one?

Jen Charlesworth :
Yeah. It’s also on your list.

Jason Ackerman :
Yeah. Yeah. C could be carrying. It can be compassionate. You know that type of stuff. H you got a lot of letters c.. It’s been taken. More so now for those listening in. A lot of people listen, they’re thinking about potentially getting their level 3. Their goal is to get onto the seminar staff. How do you balance that with owning a box? Because like you said, I think one thing people don’t realize about working seminars is travel is brutal. You know, you leave oftentimes Friday, sometimes you have a Monday return. And I mean, we I would say we put out more energy in those two days than most people do, they’re seven.

Jen Charlesworth :
Yeah, I agree.

Jason Ackerman :
So how do you find that balance? You know, the Chans, for example, are notorious for having their no talk Mondays. Matt and Cherie, what are you what are the Charlesworths do to find balance amongst themselves and then also in the box doesn’t feel it.

Jen Charlesworth :
We we definitely have the Monday mornings covered. So just having like this past week, we had I got home at like 2:00 in the morning from New York and then the news people were coming like we come at 6:00 a.m. and do a live shot. And I was like, oh. So I sent him.

Andrew Charlesworth :
But I got home at 11:30. It’s like it’s.

Jen Charlesworth :
But I feel like we just kind of pick each other up. And he where he can go in and I can stay home or it’s usually him going in. He lets me sleep a lot.

Jen Charlesworth :
But, you know, if one of us can show face, I think that’s.

Andrew Charlesworth :
Yeah, there it is. There is no right answer. It’s not for them. It’s not for the it’s not for the weak. There’s no other ways to say it.

Jen Charlesworth :
And I don’t I don’t think people realize. I don’t think really our members know what we do on the weekends.

Andrew Charlesworth :
I think they do now. Right.

Jason Ackerman :
Right.Or when until they take their loved one themselves.

Jen Charlesworth :
Yeah. Yeah. And it’s like, well, Jen and Andrew are gone. And then we like we just come back and we’re the same people.

Andrew Charlesworth :
I just say for work I travel for work every week. Yeah. And then they start to make the connection we keep seeing Crossfit,. Is your work. Oh my god. That’s my actual job. And it’s like the best job in the world. But it’s still a job. And I go to the job and then I come back to you guys.

Jen Charlesworth :
Yeah. Yeah. But really, the only classes we’re getting covered are Friday night and Saturday.

Andrew Charlesworth :
We don’t. And we only have like one class Friday night. One class Saturday. Yeah. We probably should have more if we were a better business or we’re not a business we’re a co-op.

Jen Charlesworth :
You guys went to your co-op, not a business? Andrew is making things up.

Jen Charlesworth :
Come on. That’s that’s theoretical.

Jason Ackerman :
I don’t know with you. I don’t. you guys.

Jen Charlesworth :
No one knows.

Andrew Charlesworth :
Co-op. Everybody’s involved. Every single person brings something to the table. Like the real reason our wall is grey is because that’s what. The people who were our members who were helped designing the gym, liked and then joined has the final call because I don’t care. And the Jen said, OK. But basically they’re the ones that picks that color.

Jason Ackerman :
And so two things. One, I’m considered the co-op module like, I was a member of the food court back in New York. And you pay dues and you have to put some work and type of thing. But what? Correct me if I’m wrong, but wasn’t there some drama over the color of the walls?

Jen Charlesworth :
Geez, it was. So we bought that AWB board. Right. And they wanted it to look raw. And I thought it looked terrible, just as raw like wood. And then, well, let’s paint it would color and ended up being the color of cat puke. It was disgusting on. And then Andrew in the car, like I let everyone down with this wall. He’s crying, you know, got for me it got to him. That is hard. But I think you picked that the great Christina and it ended up great. But that wall was that broke us.

Andrew Charlesworth :
Well, some guy and then some of the dudes were like helping us paint it because they were being supportive, even if my decision was stupid. You know, I mean, so even and it’s like, oh, you know, at some point it’s like.

Jen Charlesworth :
It was. Yeah. So it looks awesome.

Andrew Charlesworth :
But the co-op people are. I don’t know. We listen, you know, people decide to do stuff and we have to, I guess, the ultimate say. But I guess it’s like a church goer, right?

Jason Ackerman :
Yeah. You’re the you’re the bosses. You’re the owners. But you’ve created such an amazing community that people want to give back. And people, you know, it means a lot to them. And as adults, I mean, how many things do you have in your life like Crossfit,? You know, maybe church if you’re religious or maybe one other activity. But this is what they love doing.

Jen Charlesworth :
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, we listen to them, too. We had some programming issues and a lot of us a lot of them are coming to us with the like, hey, we want more variety, this and that. So we just said, fine, we’ll write the programming. So I liked that. They feel like they’re heard to just like, well, Jen and Andrew, they’re just it’s like anarchy.

Jason Ackerman :
So I would say it could be a concern. We become and our gave you let your community take too much of a lead. Right. The inmates asylum type of thing. I think ultimately you guys have final say, which is good. Well, I want to hear from you guys. What is one thing? The other person? One little thing they do naturally that makes your life better.

Andrew Charlesworth :
You go first.

Jen Charlesworth :
Why because you don’t have anything for me?

Jason Ackerman :
I think I know what Jen will say …

Andrew Charlesworth :
Hello can you repeat the question … it naturally makes my life better

Jason Ackerman :
One thing you do for each other. So, for example, I would hope.

Andrew Charlesworth :
That you forget?

Jason Ackerman :
Yeah, well I know you do for Jen and she’s going to say.

Jen Charlesworth :
You like my love language as acts of service. So he he always is there to be like. If you need to sleep longer. I’ll do that. So if you need me to do whatever he does.

Jason Ackerman :
Oh, that’s that’s what I would have said. I know Jen likes her sleep and Andrea makes a mass breakfast. Yeah. And so I would have said that for you. What do you got for Jen?

Andrew Charlesworth :
Well, there’s a lot of things I think I’ve witnessed with other couples and not like I don’t really compare. But she really gives me the ability to control this whole really dumb. But you give me the ability. You trust whatever decision I make, if that’s financially. If that’s like, you know, I’ll be in the drawer or feelings this. But if I finally was like, hey, it’s not happening. She would be like, OK, you know, but that and then that rarely happens. Like. Like finally the foot down.

Jason Ackerman :
Yeah.

Andrew Charlesworth :
She’s a foot at the foot is down to put down. The foot is down. But I. But also I earned that because I don’t lay the foot down. Oh yeah. All the time.

Jen Charlesworth :
Yeah.

Andrew Charlesworth :
That makes it a lot easier. So let me be myself. That’s it.

Jason Ackerman :
I think you both do that for each other.

Jason Ackerman :
So now with that being said, how do you guys handle when the other person is stressing you out? Being at home or at the gym? I think I know Andrew’s answer. I think I know a Jen’s answer, Andrew would be at least.

Andrew Charlesworth :
She runs. I’ll go for a walk. Oh, yeah, you could.

Andrew Charlesworth :
I mean, if you don’t again, movement. I actually in the past I’ve it’s like we’ve been annoying each other or something and it’s never any guy will say I’m pretty sure it’s always just like. You don’t ever I’m never gonna be like I’m annoyed with you, so I’m going to pout or like go away, like it’s not how a guy will handle it.

Andrew Charlesworth :
He gets angry or like and then you’re you’re not going to get angry at your wife or your spouse. So you don’t know what to do. You just kind of got to leave,.

Andrew Charlesworth :
Punch a bunch of garbage can. So I always a.

Jen Charlesworth :
One time we got in a fight because he had these stupid crocs.

There’s so many shoe choices besides crocs. And I was like, please, just like get rid the crocs. You need to look professional at the gym bahabh. He came downstairs. It was like a middle of the night, stabbing the cracks with a knife. And he’s like these days are indestructible. They wouldn’t they would not die. So he just throw them with a knife stuck in them.

Jason Ackerman :
That’s why they’re so good.

Andrew Charlesworth :
That’s just what it takes to crocs. But anyway, I go away. I will go to the I have a membership of the old gym, makes me a personal trainer out. And I will go to a hot tub, cold tub, sauna, refresh. Joe began the and I called triathlon. And that levels me out to a point of like, I need to do that every day. And I don’t even on days that I’m happy, though, like I should still do that. We don’t have to be an argument for me to go do that, because also all relate. If I am always there and am always angry, why would I want to relate this space of relaxation and refreshing to being angry? So I’ll just go away. She like she said, she does actually need. So I cry like self in a room and stuff.

Jen Charlesworth :
I think all the dog.

Andrew Charlesworth :
With all the dogs.

Jason Ackerman :
Who are I wanna hear from each of you who has been your biggest influence as far as coaching, developing as a coach.

Jen Charlesworth :
I if we worked for Joe Degain for a long time, things on level one, level two flow master. He. the more I separate from him, like in our terms of our business, the more I come back to everything that he’s taught us, he always says. Like you want to have the knowledge of us, like all the science knowledge, but be able to relay it like a gym teacher and I was. That’s like how a coach I feel like especially being on the kids staff, speaking to adults, not like their kids, but in relatable terms.

Andrew Charlesworth :
That’s good. Or an influence as a trainer? Is that what you said or coach?

Jason Ackerman :
Yeah, as a coach or trainer. But one thing Jen just said and. Everyone that I’ve interviewed has brought it back to, you know, keep it simple, stupid. EC talks about coaching like you’re coaching a five year old coach Burgner was on talking about, you know, making sure everyone can understand, Boz. So all these great trainers, like Joe says, has this great depth of knowledge. And Joe was a PE teacher in coaching just like that. And if you guys don’t know Joe Degain, definitely check him out. One of the good guys out there. Andrew, what about you?

Andrew Charlesworth :
Coach coaching for me, just like I actually doing more self help. That’s another Jen that helps a lot. It’s like a lot of self-help. I’ve been around, I’ve been learning from coaches since I’ve been literally four years old. I’ve actually learned nothing else from anyone else. My mom was smart enough to put me around coaches since I didn’t have a dad.

Andrew Charlesworth :
She put me around the best coaches ever. So, I mean, God, I can’t even give you one because I don’t relate. Crossfit, coaching to why I am a good coach. I actually related to literally my development in people like this staff and everything, but I learned discipline, honor, teamwork. I mean those sorts of things at such a young age. I mean, I remember my first coach ever saying, call me Bob because their was too many Andrews on the team.

Andrew Charlesworth :
Was Like Bob. You know, someday you’re going to line up a trash can.

Jen Charlesworth :
Can i call you bob?

No,About someday you’re gonna wind up in a trash can 30 years from now. You have no one to call. You’re going to call me and we’ll be there for you. And that made no sense in fourth grade. Trash can? Why I’d be in a trash can? And then I understood it. I mean, just so many things like I don’t know if I had to pick. I really do. You know, even though he’s my partner, me and Dave are super close because we’re funny, we’re outgoing. We say things that might rattle. Yet that guy is a smart dude. And if it’s one thing I like, it’s being able to speak myself. People say ADD or whatever and even listen that. But I’m still probably smarter in terms of iron credibility that whoever saying that to me and for for me to have that, I have to always be doing research. I have to always be learning. And that’s Dave. Same way, you know, people might look at him like, what is going on? And then also and they’re like, holy crap, that guy’s knowledge is superb,.

Jen Charlesworth :
Superb,.

Andrew Charlesworth :
Superb.

Jason Ackerman :
And just to make a clear idea, I gave it in the introduction. But a lot of people see Dave as the Thunder Bro guy. But Andrew is the co-owner, so I’ll definitely check that stuff out. We had a have episode talking about Thunder Bro with Dave. It’s good stuff. So. I’m afraid Andrew is going to go a little off the deep end on this question, so Jen, you’re gonna have to read him in. But I do want to touch on the fact that you guys are all about testing stuff at the box. You know, most recently diving into the tinker training and heart rate type stuff.

Jason Ackerman :
So. What have you guys found with that? You know, people can research tinker training and I’ll probably have the same.

Jason Ackerman :
What so Funny? The name Tinker? You guys laughing at that. It’s what goes on the Tin Man. I don’t have a heart. So Tinker training? Yeah. What did you guys notice with that? And people can check it out and I’ll have them on at some point. But would you guys notice the box?

Jen Charlesworth :
So most recently while we started ticker training because how we felt a little bit run down from competing and trying to compete every single day. We’re not 20 years old anymore. So we wanted to find something that’s a little more sustainable for us and for our members. And that’s where the heart rate training came in. And we found that through slowing people down. Not only are there mechanics getting better, but they’re they’re just overall healthier. They’re not getting injured as frequently. They’re coming to the gym seven days a week instead of four or three because they’re too sore. And we kind of took, for the most part, that leaderboard board out of the equation. And we understand it’s an important part of getting better measurable data. But I think that helped kind of just chill people out. They’re not they’re not worried about what the person doing next to them. They’re worried about what they’re doing. And so taking away that competing element for most of the days has really helped them .

Jason Ackerman :
Ya know leaning on something I didn’t include in the introduction is both of you have been to regionals numerous times. So you were both very high level Crossfit, athletes. Andrew, what did what would you add to that?

Andrew Charlesworth :
That was really great. I mean, she could have went off on a lot even more. But I was a really good synopsis, like slowing people down has made them healthier and better in the idea of competing every day. I mean, when you tell that to a samurai, I don’t think that makes any sense. So a samurai fighter cannot compete every day because their ultimate fight is death. And so what what makes you think your physiology is like? You’re a unique individual, that you’re supposed to compete every day. That’s not true. You’re supposed to compete once in a while. That’s like a teenager for first time. They start drinking like, you know, 17, 18. Yeah. And they just get drunk every night. And then before they wake up, I’m 25. My face is fat. I’m fat. And I don’t have a job and I don’t have a spouse. I mean, maybe I shouldn’t have slept like, you know.

Jason Ackerman :
Yeah. So if the average ticket training is available, boxes can certainly use it, but if they’re like, OK, I like doing my own programming or reused. Another company. How can they implement something similar? How can they get that message conveyed to their athletes without strapping on a heart rate monitor and Ya know, keeping an eye on that metric?

Jen Charlesworth :
we we use ticker training concepts, what we write our own program. And so we’re right there. I think just having designated goals for each day. So, for example, we have an endurance day and endurance day is just what it sounds like, an endurance day, meaning you’re gonna be moving for 30 minutes or more.

Andrew Charlesworth :
So it’s closer to 40.

Jen Charlesworth :
So you you shouldn’t really feel you shouldn’t be putting that gas pedal down because then you’re not building your aerobics base. You should be able to have a conversation.

Andrew Charlesworth :
So I’m having a goal and describe like we actually go up to members and talk to them during endurance days and not like how are you doing? So, you know, like be annoying, like go three steps deeper, because if they can’t even comprehend what’s going on or they can’t they can’t breathe through their nose while they’re talking, they’re going way too far.

Jen Charlesworth :
Yeah.

Jason Ackerman :
Well, how do you find that balance? You know, for me, opening boxes, it was always about best hour of their day. And programming, to be quite honest, took a backseat. It was like it’s important. But, you know, I’ve kind of said recently, like even shitty Crossfit, yields great results. Oh yeah, you can be a bad coach with shitty programming by getting people to do functional movements will get results. So where do you guys find that balance? Obviously you’re giving people the best hour their day. There’s no negotiating that. And what still drives you to want to find that programming, to get the eat, to get even more results, to push towards fitness, to push towards health?

Andrew Charlesworth :
Crossfit, evolving. It’s always been evolving and that’s OK. And we know we created the thing like the games. And then now you can see that certain things are getting changed and it’s all awesome.

But I think people are still they’re like, wait, hold on. Am I supposed to do I supposed to do now? The games are gone. And like you where you were 17 thousandth in the open. So let’s none of that even matters. Let’s just talk about what actually should go on. And they’re like, what are your goals? I want to do better in the open. That’s fine. OK. I respect that. What’s another goal? I want to look good. First of all, it’s normally vice. That’s their number one goal. I want to look good. I want to do better in the open. I want a progressive. I want to hurt less. I don’t want to get injured. And we feel that we found. I don’t want to market yourself. We don’t sell anything. But I think we found through trial and error for beating ourselves up through going through every program under the sun for an extended period of time for having injuries that were affected outside life, that we finally found something where we can look good, compete at levels that we want to compete and still have the time outside. I bet everybody listening. I want to know that.

Jen Charlesworth :
Yeah, yeah. We get a we get some criticism from other people sometimes about the way that we do things. And the funny thing is that criticism comes from people that I’ve haven’t been doing Crossfit, for as long as we have. You been doing it for a couple of years yet, you know, and you haven’t been through the wringe yet. So we’ve been through the competing thing. We’ve been through the ups and downs, like having been in this for a decade. You learn stuff about yourself and you learn stuff about training. And yeah, I like Andrew said is just the way we found to make our members happiest and to get them the results they.

Andrew Charlesworth :
What I to wake up when walking to the gym. All right. Yeah, it’s hurts. Oh, sorry.

Jason Ackerman :
And I think one thing you alluded to, but maybe the listeners know it’s like you guys test everything yourselves first. Oh, yeah. Yeah. You know, you were doing the whole finale breathing stuff many mouths before you were implementing it into your class. All right. Game time. So we’re gonna have to do a little bit of the honor system here. It’s gonna be a newlywed game style. I might ask you each a question. I ask one question. You’re gonna think of your true answer and then you’re gonna to be honest when the other person gives the answer. OK. Ready? All right. Let’s start Crossfit, favorite workout. What’s Jen’s favorite workout Andrew? You have to think of Jen?

Andrew Charlesworth :
Is it a girl, like a benchmark?

Jason Ackerman :
I don’t know your wife’s favorite workout.

Andrew Charlesworth :
Oh, hold on, just a second.

Jen Charlesworth :
Oh, I already know mine.

Jason Ackerman :
She knows both not.

Andrew Charlesworth :
Ok. I would say like Cindy.

Andrew Charlesworth :
What was that? What’s your answer? I.

Jen Charlesworth :
Don’t have a favorite workout.

Andrew Charlesworth :
Thats what i thought.

Jason Ackerman :
That’s not an answer, Jen. This game has backfired. What was Andrew’s?

Jen Charlesworth :
19.1?

Andrew Charlesworth :
I mean, yeah, hold on. Let’s restart, we actually have to think like we have to play.

Jason Ackerman :
Ok. Let’s let’s go a different direction.

Andrew Charlesworth :
We have to actually try.

Jason Ackerman :
Give you a question. I’ll go simple. Other person’s favorite color.

Jen Charlesworth :
Ok.

Jason Ackerman :
I feel like you guys haven’t met before and the guys met.

Andrew Charlesworth :
I bet That were so wrong. OK.

Jason Ackerman :
What’s Jen’s favorite color Andrew?

Andrew Charlesworth :
Purple.

Jen Charlesworth :
Yeah.

Andrew Charlesworth :
Fuck Yeah.

Jason Ackerman :
All right. What’s Andrews favorite color?

Jen Charlesworth :
Blue?

Andrew Charlesworth :
I said green in my head, but it’s between blue and green.

Jason Ackerman :
All right. I’ll give you that one. I’ll give you that one. Let’s go another one. What’s the other person’s favorite workout song?

Andrew Charlesworth :
Good, good, good, good, good.

Jen Charlesworth :
I got it.

Jason Ackerman :
Well, what’s Andrew’s?

Jen Charlesworth :
That one more than a feeling song.

Jason Ackerman :
Boston, more than a feeling?

Jen Charlesworth :
You play That every time.

Andrew Charlesworth :
It’s the that’s my favorite at the moment .

Jen Charlesworth :
I don’t know anything about him.

Andrew Charlesworth :
I was your favorite workout. So songs look like a Demi Lovato, like whatever is the most pop like I’ve been hear all night?

Jen Charlesworth :
I think more Nicki Minaj thing.

Jason Ackerman :
All right. All right. One more last one. Who is the other person’s favorite chicken of your chickens? I feel like I know Jens and I’m not married to her.

Jen Charlesworth :
Yeah.

Andrew Charlesworth :
Trying to remember its name.

Jason Ackerman :
You have pets that you don’t know their names?

Andrew Charlesworth :
It’s one of the golden rule.

Jen Charlesworth :
No, no, no, no. your’s is like Macho Mann or Andy Samberg.

Andrew Charlesworth :
Mine Macho Man

Jason Ackerman :
Alright You got that one. I’m guessing let me guess Jens. I’m going to guess Susan.

Jen Charlesworth :
Yes.

Jason Ackerman :
Jen and I should be married.

Jen Charlesworth :
How do you not know that? I only post about Susan.

Andrew Charlesworth :
Yeah, but you also only post about Doug and Pickles they’re assholes.

Jen Charlesworth :
Now, that prickles is gone by the way.

And I’ll give you a chance to say. But if you don’t follow Jen’s Instagram, I don’t know how you think of what Jen is thinking is so funny. Every time I read it. All right. Last thing. This is not the game is over, you guys. You both lose.

Jen Charlesworth :
We lost

Jason Ackerman :
Well, I always ask everyone, you know, I’d like to have a compiled list from all the guests. Your favorite book or book you recommended for listeners? Check out.

Andrew Charlesworth :
Own The Day on Your Life by Aubrey Marcus is really good.

Jason Ackerman :
Roz and I just read that.

Andrew Charlesworth :
I think a challenge is a lot of people’s thinking in terms of mindset and. I don’t know, I really like that one and it’s about having a perfect day. Not that like every day is like that. It’s just compositing things that make your day great that you don’t necessarily think of, whether it’s morning habits, whether it’s working out, whether it’s relationship things and I mean, whatever. And, you know, drugs. Like what? Seriously? I mean, having a good time. How how to enjoy things in life. I think that I like that book.

Jen Charlesworth :
Mine. Is that the magic art of tidying up.

Jen Charlesworth :
Because if my clothes are folded and I’m declared I’m nicer to people and they go to you for sure, everything is better in my life when my clothes are perfectly folded. I don’t know why that is.

Jason Ackerman :
I’m right with you. And the three of us have had numerous conversations on minimalism and and magical art of tidying up. I mean, I’m in my closet now. You can see my clothes.

Jen Charlesworth :
Yeah.

Jason Ackerman :
And I just I got rid of everything. My shirts are folded the way she teaches. It’s really good.

Jen Charlesworth :
I know it’s like that. Like when your space is clear.

Jason Ackerman :
Yeah, and you know, it’s even just like, for example, today I coach this afternoon, so I have on my North Naples Crossfit, shirt. And it was one less decision I had to make this morning. So some days I’m like, what should I wear? Like hundreds of shirts and I’ve gotten rid of most of them. It’s really something I definitely recommend both those books. All right. Where can people check you guys out all over the world, all over the Internet? Could they say, let me go specifically, what’s the boxes Instagram at Crossfit,.

Jen Charlesworth :
@Crossfit T r u b o r.

Jason Ackerman :
You want to check out the color of the wall if you want to see some of their programming? The community there definitely check that out. Each of you have your own individual insight as well. What’s yours, Andrew?

Andrew Charlesworth :
@andrewcharlesworth1 mine.

Jen Charlesworth :
Mine is @jen.charlesworth.

Jason Ackerman :
I put these on the notes and then of course, check out thunder brow thunder, bro, without the E, like Dave said.

Andrew Charlesworth :
you haven’t checked about your prior living under a rock.

Jason Ackerman :
That’s right. Some of those videos are so funny. Definitely. Listen. Watch those. Anything else you guys want to add before we sign off?

Andrew Charlesworth :
I mean, you know, you’d be nice to people. You can’t change the world lets you change yourself. You know, we’re all just creatures of the same love to all.

Jason Ackerman :
I don’t know where to go with that, Jen, but it was it sounded good.

Jen Charlesworth :
I’ll roll with that.

Jason Ackerman :
You know, I’m funny enough like that is Andrew. I like people. They listen to this thing. He’s joking around. But that’s Andrew. Big, big, lovable teddy bear. And it is great to chat with you guys. Great way to start my day. So thanks for hopping on. And I look forward to hopefully. I’m hoping to get some time out in Michigan this summer. So got to convince Roz and we will be out there.

Jen Charlesworth :
Yeah.

Andrew Charlesworth :
You got a new bedroom for you guys, too.

Jason Ackerman :
All right.

Andrew Charlesworth :
One dog there.

Jason Ackerman :
Well the rest of the day, guys. All right.

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